PS5/SERIESX is more powerful than a RTX 2080ti. Proofs and evidences are all here!

[destiny101]

GEARS 5 (rtx 2080ti/rtx 2080)

Gears 5 on Rtx 2080TI native 4k pc ultra setting - 62 AVG fps and it still dips below 60fps.

Now. Gears 5 on Series X is native 4k 60fps and is beyond pc ultra pc setting with new graphic enhancements below,

Contact Shadows
Screen Space Global Illumination
50% higher particles counts than that on the PC’s ultra spec

and the devs said this enhancement is not available on any gears 5 pc settings.

Now, if you add all these improvements on a 2080ti then surely the 2080ti will play it way below 60fps at 4k maybe around 48fps avg. Series X easily wins!

Digital Foundry said the Series X performed like the rtx 2080 but that is not even true because gears 5 pc ultra setting on rtx 2080 avg only 47fps at 4k while the series X is at 60fps native 4k with graphics beyond pc ultra settings.

Remember RDNA 2 gpu architecture, features and capabilities >>> rtx 2000 series / amd RDNA 1 gpu architecture, features and capabilities.

Tflops on different generation of gpu architecture doesn't scale the same. 1 Tflop on new generation gpu is superior than 1 Tflop of old generation gpu. Yes, Series S only has 4 Tflops vs the rtx 2080ti 13.45 Tflop but it's tflop is based on new more advance RDNA 2 architecture plus mixing this with the new capabilities and features of RDNA 2 it’s actual performance would be way superior than a 4tflop on rdna 1 and turing architecture.

Series S has 10gb of flexible memory with 8gb vram by default vs Rtx 2080ti 11gb of vram, not much difference and more than enough for 1440p gaming. PS5/SeriesX has 13.5gb of vram by default and can even use almost all if not all 16gb of flexible memory as vram if needed too. rtx 3080 10gb will perform like the Series S in the long run too.

Also, the remaining 2gb memory of Series is flexible memory can be mostly use as vram as well if needed.

Ps3 was a 2 Tflop machine vs PS4 is only 1.8 Tflop machine and we all know which one is on the next level.

GTX 1050ti has only 2.1Tflop but is superior than a gtx 770 with 3.3 Tflops or gtx 780ti with 4.4 Tflops in modern games since 2017. The gtx 1050ti performs identical now to the base ps4 in recent games while ps4 actually doing better in recent games like marvel avengers (ps4 plays at prettier graphics) while the 1050ti plays on inferior graphics 1080p with rescaling on just to reach 30fps. Crysis Remaster minimum requirements is a 1050ti and this is still a PS4 game.

Also Rtx 2080ti and all other rtx 2000 series has 1st generation ray tracing only while RDNA 2 has 2nd generation ray tracing. And keep in mind next gen console are RDNA 2 with unique features not available in RDNA 2, probably some rdna 3 tech for future proofing.

CALL OF DUTY COLD WAR (rtx 2080ti/rtx 2080)

Call of duty cold war developers said ps5 will run the game native 4k 60fps with ray tracing On. And will run native 4k up to 120fps on multiplayer too. The Devs said next gen console superior vram or memory allows it to max out both resolution (4k) and frames per second (up to 120fps). Watch the IGN PS5 multiplayer event.

Now, the rtx 2080ti plays COD 2019 multiplayer 4k at ultra-setting only around 85-110fps avg. This is far from what the PS5 can do with Cold war multiplayer which is native 4k 120fps and obviously Cold War is the more gpu demanding game too.

Rtx 2080ti plays COD 2019 4k at ultra with ray tracing On 71 fps and PS5 does native 4k 60fps with ray tracing ON with Cold War, but keep in mind console don't do variables fps and cold war is obviously the more demanding game.

Rtx 2080 plays COD 2019 4k at ultra with ray tracing On at 50fps avg. It's obvious the PS5 is superior than a rtx 2080, PS5 is native 4k 60fps with ray tracing ON with Cold War which is more demanding than COD 2019.

So don't believe anyone who says PS5 is on rtx 2080 or below level. It's not. It's even beating the rtx 2080ti.

ASSASSIN'S CREED VALHALLA

RTX 2080ti plays Assassin's Creed Odyssey ultra setting at 4k below 60fps, it averages around 54fps. The Rtx 2080ti cannot do lock 60fps on this game. And this is still a last gen game.

Now for the PS5/SeriesX, guess what! Ubisoft themselves said

"With the Xbox Series X | S, Assassin’s Creed Valhalla will take full advantage of the enhanced graphics, giving players the opportunity to experience the open world of Norway and England down to the very last detail. On Xbox Series X, Assassin’s Creed Valhalla will run at 60 FPS in full 4K resolution,"

let me repeat that, its FULL 4k resolution! aka native 4k! also keep in mind they said “down to the very last detail.”

Which means it will be playing on ultra max out setting easily on next gen consoles.

Valhalla is also native 4k 60fps on PS5.

“will not only run in 4K on the PS5, but also with 60 frames. And full 4K resolution, as you emphasize, which you can expect,”

“The days of checkerboard 4K should be over for now”

Obviously, Valhalla on ps5/seriesX will look way better and beautiful than last gen Assasin's creed odyssey pc ultra-settings. Valhalla next gen version is obviously more demanding than last gen odyssey pc ultra-settings.

This means Series X and PS5 can play Assassin's Creed Odyssey ultra-setting 4k at lock 60fps easily while the 2080ti does not.

Since the Rtx 2080ti can't even play 60fps 4k on Odyssey then surely it will struggle worst with Valhalla at 4k. Series X and PS5 Wins!

Devs don't lie on this matter. When Rockstar said red dead 2 was native 4k on xboxonex, it is native 4k and no one can deny it and random resolution comparison channels in the internet also says so. Guerilla games said horizon zero dawn is native 1080p on PS4 and it is, everyone agrees. If the devs didn't say anything about the resolution watch pc bias channels will create all made up resolutions and says red dead 2 is dynamic 4k on xboxonex and even goes below 1440p to downplay it. They will horizon zero dawn plays dynamic 1080p and goes below 720p too if guerilla games did not speak up. Good thing these pc bias sites ain't doing anything when devs actually speaks up.

If devs don't say anything about what resolution the consoles games are playing on, random people all over the internet creates their own made up resolution for the consoles and mostly cheat to downplay consoles. Wish all devs would just out right say what resolution a game plays on the console so no pc bias channels and people can cheat and lie just to downplay consoles.

Watch Dogs Legions (Rtx 2080ti/Rtx 2070)

The Official Pc Requirements Recommended of Watch Dogs Legion From Ubisoft

1080p High Settings with Ray Tracing On
Cpu - Ryzen 3600
Gpu - Rtx 2070
Vram - 8gb

4k Ultra Settings with Ray Tracing On
Cpu- Ryzen 3700x
Gpu- Rtx 2080ti
Vram - 11gb

SeriesX and Ps5 zen 2 custom cpu has 8 cores with 16 threads. The Ryzen 3600 is only a 6 core 12 thread cpu. The next gen console cpu is identical to the Ryzen 3700x which is also 8 cores with 16 threads. Also custom cpu actually means it has better customize cpu tech than the original version of it. Just like next gen console are custom rdna 2. It's custom rdna 2 because it has other unique features not available in rdna 2 tech.

The PS5/ SeriesX have 13.5gb of vram minimum hence it can easily play at 4k ultra setting with ray tracing on than the 11gb vram of the Rtx 2080ti build here.

Rtx 2070 is only playing at 1080p high setting with ray tracing on. Conclusion. Ps5/Series X is way more powerful than a rtx 2070 and completely on different level.

Also, don't believe anyone that says next gen console doesn't play this game at native 4k ultra settings with ray tracing on because base on specs alone next gen console is more than capable with that superior vram which is critical for 4k ray tracing gaming. Also next gen console rdna 2 per tflops > rdna /turing per tflops making the ps5 10.3 tflops / seriesX tflops12 tflops power even on par or significantly exceed the rtx 2080ti 13.45 tflops of old turing architecture. RDNA 2 2nd generation ray tracing > Rtx 2080ti still 1st generation ray tracing too. PS5/SeriesX got this in the bag easy.

Gears Tactics

Gears Tactics is coming to seriesX and it will be native 4k 60fps.

Rtx 2080ti gears tactics ultra setting 4k plays at variable 52-65fps. Averages around 58 fps.

Rtx 2080 gears tactics ultra setting 4k plays at variable 41-54 fps. Averages around 47 fps.

5700 XT gears tactics ultra setting 4k plays at variable 34-47 fps. Averages around 41 fps.

Rtx 2080 / 5700 XT is clearly not on the level of SeriesX (and PS5).

Clear as day, 5700xt rdna 1 vs next gen console with custom rdna 2. RDNA 2 is said to be 50% more efficient, better, powerful than rdna 1. Sounds about right. And remember next gen console is not just rdna 2 it has other unique features not available in rdna 2 and mix that with the advanced purely dedicated gaming I/O system of next gen console it will surely surpass the rtx 2080ti easily specially down the road.

The fact that the rtx 2080ti plays it below 60fps constantly means seriesX is leading specially if it will be lock 60fps on the console.

All these gpu benchmark are taken from multiple notable pc benchmarking sites and youtube videos using only the highest pc parts (cpu, ram, etc). This is the apparent fps averages on each gpu on multiple source.



All benchmark of the said gpus here are from legit pc gaming or tech benchmark sites using only the highest end gaming pc (cpu, ram, etc) and from youtube gameplays using very high end rigs.

 

[destiny101]

DARK SOULS 3 / DEMON SOULS (vs rtx 2070 Super)


RTX 2070 Super plays Dark souls 3 (still last gen graphics) pc ultra-settings 4k below 60fps, it plays mostly on 55fps to high 50s. This card cannot do lock 60fps at 4k on dark souls 3 a last gen graphic game.

Now, the PS5 demon souls (true next gen graphics) gameplay trailer (captured on ps5) was playing it on native 4k 60fps.

The rtx 2070 super cannot even do lock 60fps on dark souls 3 a last gen graphics so there is no question it will play on inferior performance (probably 41fps avg) on demon souls at 4k if there was a pc release. Also, Ps5/SeriesX will easily play dark souls 3 ultra setting 4k 60 fps easily unlike the rtx 2070 super as the PS5 plays an actual next gen graphics of a dark souls game (demon souls remake) native 4k 60fps by default.

So don't even believe anyone who says PS5 = a rtx 2070 Super. It’s obvious PS5 is way better.


UPDATE: Digital Foundry Says its 1440 60fps (with ray tracing on?). One thing for sure though without ray tracing, PS5 got this native 4k 60fps easy.



WITCHER 3 REMASTER (vs rtx 2080/2080ti)


"the next-gen edition of the game will feature a range of visual and technical improvements - including ray tracing and faster loading times"

Expect frame rate boosts from 30FPS to 60FPS minimum, incredible new lighting and global illumination effects including dynamic weather visuals, next-gen shadows, and of course ray traced visuals.

rtx 2080 runs the 2015 original witcher 3 at 4k at 59fps average (unable to lock 60 at max setting as it constantly plays below 60fps) and this is without all the graphic enhancement including ray tracing the next gen console will get.

Assumably it will be native 4k 60fps with all visuals upgrades beyond pc ultra on next gen console. And these graphics upgrades specially the ray tracing will make the rtx 2080 at 4k struggle hard or even borderline unplayable at 4k.

Rtx 2080 is clearly inferior than next gen console then. These Rtx cards takes a huge hit on its fps everytime ray tracing is turned On taking away almost half of its fps. As you can see the next gen console has no problem playing at native 4k 60fps with ray tracing On like on grand turismo 7 and cold war. Rtx 2000 series 1st generation ray tracing is just inefficient and not powerful as the 2nd generation of ray tracing hardware the next gen console have.

Rtx 2080ti plays witcher 3 4k ultra setting at 65-75fps. Now, adding the next edition graphical upgrades would likely make the 2080ti unplayable at 60fps.

 

[destiny101]

HOW TO KNOW IF PS5/SERIESX PLAYS A GAME ON ULTRA MAX SETTINGS.

We all know right now this for a fact,

PS5/SERIESX Assasin Creed Valhalla graphics native 4k 60fps >>> RTX 2080TI Assasin Creed Odyssey last gen graphics native 4k only 55fps average.

Valhalla graphics on next gen console is obviously greater and more demanding than the last gen graphics of Odyssey ultra settting hence SeriesX/Ps5 > Rtx 2080ti.

Now if a RTX 2080ti can max out Valhalla at 4k (expect it to play below 60fps) then the seriesX/ps5 has it at max out as well. Why would it not? Also, if a mere rtx 2060/2070/5700xt can max out Valhalla at 4k (will obviously play way below 60fps, maybe around 36 to 47 fps) then the PS5/SERIESX can easily max out this game as well. Why would it not? It's more than capable and the devs themselves said it.

Now, we should be prepare if pc bias comparison videos will say Valhalla plays on lower settings even on next gen console. They will use a rtx 3080 for comparison at ultra max setting 4k on the rtx 3080 and will claim its not on max settings on the ps5/seriesx which would be absurd. To counter this let's just find out other obvious weaker gpu than the consoles like a rtx 2080 or heck even a rtx 2060 and gtx 1080 and if these weaker cards than next gen consoles can max out valhalla at 4k maybe around 34-44fps and they say next gen cannot then something is fishy. That is just downright lying and cheating.

Just find an obvious weaker card than these next gen consoles like the 5700xt/2070/2080 etc and if these weaker cards can max out a certain game then next gen console will easily too.

You have to owned these consoles and all these cards to know the real truth yourselves. Don’t rely on pc bias channels in the internet as they can create all made up stuffs just to downplay these next gen consoles again.

For example, they say sekiro doesn’t run max settings on consoles like on the xboxonex but a mere 2gb vram card like a gtx 1050 can run it at max easily at 34fps average. Base Ps4 is a 5gbvram machine and xboxonex has 9gb of vram. Console don't use variable fps, its rare to none, its usually 30fps 60fps or 120fps

The gtx 1050 is a mere 2gb card and it is playable only on UGLY all low and off graphics in modern demanding games since 2017 like shadow of tomb raider, doom eternal, red dead 2, assassin creed origins and odyssey, mortal Kombat 11 and so on. 2gb vram cards are also unplayable in other games such as Detroit becomes human. All consoles plays on beautiful A+ graphics.

This is very crucial since next gen console will be playing native 4k most if not all the time now. Pc bias channels only saving grace now is to downplay next gen console graphics settings. Keep in mind if a proven weaker gpu than next gen consoles can max out a certain game at 4k then the consoles should easily too. This will be the biggest evidence.

Also as a bonus, let's review history.

Rtx 2080ti is a 2 year old card before next gen console release.

There is no 1998 pc gaming rig that beat the 2000 ps2. There is no 2004-2005 high end pc gpu that beat the 2006 PS3. There is no 2011 high end gpu that beat the 2013 PS4. History will repeat itself. The 2 year old 2080ti ain't beating the ps5/seriesx specially in the long run. PS5/SeriesX ain't competing against the 2080ti. Rtx 2080ti is a 4k card for last gen gaming and the new consoles are build for 4k next gen gaming that will last for the next 9 years. Based on history, 2080ti will also be obsolete by year 4 even at 1440p while next gen console will play insane more demanding graphics later on for 9 years.

Also for those who don't know. the 2006 PS3 even beats the most powerful gaming pc of 2007 and 98% of high end gpu in 2008 in the long run easily. The most powerful gaming pc of 2007 and 98% high end gpus of 2008 cannot play like the last 20 latest most demanding PS3 multiplatform games like MGS5, dragon age inquisition, destiny, theif, farcry 4, crysis 3, injustice, blackflag, blackops3, shadow of mordor, watchdogs and so on. The most powerful gpu of 2007 is unplayable (20fps) even on all low and off ugly graphics on assassin creed black flag while the PS3 easily plays it smooth 30fps looking A+ beautiful before the PS4 release. The most powerful pc gpu of 2007 is dead by 2011 in most games while the PS3 played more demanding games till 2015. Ps3 even plays NBA 2k18.

And yes, 2013 PS4 also beats the most powerful nvidia gpu in 2013 the gtx 780ti by year 4-5 when games started requiring 4gb of vram as recommended. It all comes down to vram in the long run to play modern demanding games. PS4 5gb vram and the gtx 780ti is only 3gb vram. Gtx 780ti plays on inferior graphics and performance than the PS4 in modern demanding triple A games since 2018.

There is a reason why comparison videos between pc vs console, the pc uses only the current highest end gpu (rtx 2080ti) like since 2018 because high end gpu at the same year of the ps4 release aint doing it in modern games since 2017. High end gpu's at the same year of console release will get exposed hard in modern games if compared.

rtx 3080 is only a 10gb vram card and the PS5/SeriesX are 13.5gb vram machine and can use all 16gb memory as vram too if needed. History will always repeat itself. Yes, Rtx 3080 will be faster in the first 2-3 years when games only requires 10gb or less vram minimum but when games starts requiring more than 10gb of vram minimum even at 1440p this card will become obsolete. PS5/SeriesX no doubt will be superior than a rtx 3080 in the long run starting at year 4.

History repeat itself, gtx 770 3.3tflops only 2gb vram only plays on ugly low and off graphics since 2017 while the ps4 1.8tflops but a 5gb machine keeps playing graphics getting better and better year after year and at its very best near the end of its cycle in terms graphics and performance. The ps4 just like the gtx 1050ti 4gb vram is superior than the gtx 770 and gtx 780 in modern games since 2017. RTX 3070 is a mere 8gb vram card with 20tflops and this is the equivalent of the gtx 770 to the base ps4. PS5/SeriesX will beat the rtx 3070 by year 4 easily in graphics and performance. It's all about the vram later on to play at better graphics and performance, tflops won't save a rtx 3070/3080 when games requires more vram than what these cards vram has same thing happened to the gtx 770/780. Also if a gpu plays on ugly or inferior graphics then its not on the level of the consoles.

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All the legit evidences and facts above stacks up nicely in favor of next gen consoles making it obvious ps5/seriesx is superior than a rtx 2080ti. Only way this will be denied is when pc bias channels will start making up "fake" opinions and comparisons to downplay the next gen consoles. Buy the PS5/SeriesX and these cards rtx 2060 to rtx 2080ti yourself to compare properly specially in the long run like 3 years and up from now you will see how superior next gen consoles are to any high end rtx 2000 series gpu.

All benchmark of the said gpus here are from legit pc gaming or tech benchmark sites using only the highest end gaming pc (cpu, ram, etc) and from youtube gameplays using very high end rigs.

 

[destiny101]

New Update.

Digital Foundry has started downplaying the ps5/seriesx starting with spider man and demon souls.

They are saying the rtx 2060 super is similar to the ps5 as early as now because of their "analysis" ray tracing on spiderman at 4k 30fps.

We are not even yet done with the first year of ps5 and they think games 3,5,8 years from now games will still look like spiderman remaster with its ray tracing. Down the road games would look 3x better than spiderman remaster with more complex and 3x more beautiful ray tracing than seen in spiderman remaster now and the ps5/seriesx will still easily play most of them at 4k 30fps for sure.

This is the same during the PS4 era when they said the console is limited can't even play game fallout 4, black flag remaster, bioshock infinite, gta 5 etc properly only to find out ps4 later on plays on even more insane beautiful graphics like ghost of tsushima, last of us 2, watchdogs legions, cyberpunk, Valhalla, mk11, cod 2019 and so on all looking A+ beautiful.

They compared the rtx 2060 super because this gpu performs on last gen (ps4) game with 1080p ray traced resolution at 30fps 4k the same as the ps5 "1080p" ray tracing on spider man remaster at also 30fps 4k. Thing is last gen games and spider man remaster with ray tracing are not even true next gen games yet and the rtx 2060 super clearly struggles. Also, consoles don't do variable fps like pc. PS5 could easily be running spiderman remaster native 4k with ray tracing at variabl 38-52fps and they would still lock it at 30fps for consistency. It's usually either 30 or 60fps on the consoles, no variable fps.

This is like what they did with the PS4 vs the 750ti build they have in 2014. Gtx 750ti plays only on ugly graphics since 2017. I repeat, Ugly Graphics. Gtx 750ti is a mere 2gb vram card and the PS4 is capable of 5gb of vram since day one. This is the reason why the PS4 still plays games today all looking A+ beautiful. As you can see they have not compared the ps4 vs the gtx 750ti like since 2016. Witcher 3 is an easy game, most 2gb vram can play this game 30fps plus at all high settings. Also, remember base console like the ps4 don't do variable fps. If a gtx 1050 2gb plays a game at 29-36 fps doesn't mean its better than the ps4. PS4 just don't do variable fps even if it actually plays more than 30fps like 29-47fps they would still lock it at 30fps for consistency. Also gtx 950 like all other 2gb vram gpu plays on ugly graphics only since 2017 when games started requiring at least 4gb of vram to look pretty. The base ps4 has 5gb of vram to begin with. Imagine that.

They are trying to build the cheapest pc build they can and call it even better than the ps5/seriesx.

They will compare the rtx 2060super/rtx 2070 in just the first year or two and will say its the equivalent or better than the ps5. Later on when games gets more demanding they will never go back to this and they will use only the current most high end gpu like a rtx 4080ti down the road against the ps5. Look it up please.

They are saying now the rtx 2060 8gb vram is the same as the ps5/seriesx too? No. 16gb memory of the ps5/seriesx equates to 13.5-14gb of vram mininimum easily. Xboxonex has 12 gb of shared memory and 9gb can be use for vram.

Where are the console warriors. Please research all of these. These are all facts. You can buy all the high end cards/gpu mention here all the way to the ps3 era and compare it to the ps3/ps4/etc.

They are saying demon souls is 1440p 60fps too. The 4k 60fps trailer of demon souls looks way sharper than any games/trailer running at 1440p. If devs or sony or microsoft don't speak up about resolutions and settings they create their own resolutions and settings for consoles. Anyone here please contact bluepoint.

Guys. Rtx 2080ti is a 2 year old card. No 2 year old high end gpu before the ps3 era beat it. No 2 year old high end gpu before the ps4 era beat it.

The rtx 2080ti is similar to the gtx 590. Gtx 590 is the most powerful gpu in 2011 two years before the PS4 release. It's a $700-$1000 gpu just like the rtx 2080ti. And guess what the gtx 590 is totally unplayable on almost all ps4 games since 2017. It can't play like 80% of ps4 triple A games since 2017. The other 20% it can only play on UGLY graphics. Gtx 590 is a mere 3gb vram card and has gpu architecture from the ps3 era and the ps4 is capable of 5gb of vram. 2080ti 11gb vram with old gpu architecture from the ps4 era vs ps5/seriesx new gpu architecture 13.5gb of vram minimum optimal and can even use most of the remaining 2.5gb memory as vram too. Yes rtx 2080ti and rtx 3080 and its mere 10gb will play ps5 games just fine in the first 2-3 years but not in the long run like 4 years and up after. Console has always been superior than any high end gpu (minus novelty card like rtx 3090) at the same year in the long run.

These are real hard cold evidences we have here guys. I did my part. You all research about this yourself. Evidences are in real life or youtube gameplays from other people. Don't let this slip up.

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